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The Rise of Microsoft Windows Part 2: Windows 2x
After many delays and becoming the butt of many industry jokes, Windows 1 had finally staggered onto the market at the end of 1985. It was met by basically complete indifference, as it performed poorly on most people's computers, and lacked any sort of compelling software to kickstart adoption and thereby drive more interest from software developers and users alike.
But Microsoft pressed on with the followup, Windows 2. Although most of Microsoft's time and attention was focused on their partnership with IBM to develop a shiny new operating system, OS/2, and in spite of the fact that Steve Ballmer and others inside of Microsoft saw no point in continuing to develop the successor to the original Windows release, Bill Gates refused to call a halt to its development.
Windows 2's story is a complex one, and IBM, OS/2, and OS/2's GUI Presentation Manager weave in and out of it at various points, together with Apple, HP, Compaq, and others.
It's development was also further complicated by the decision to break it into two pieces, one for 8088/8086 machines and one solely aimed at systems utilizing the powerful new 386 processor.
Battling a wide variety of obstacles, Windows 2.0 eventually succeeded in making it to market, and it and its successor Windows 2.1 eventually proved that Windows could be a viable product that could take Microsoft into the 1990s, and allow them to break free of riding the IBM tiger.
In many ways, Microsoft's incredible growth in the 1990s was rooted in the success that Windows 2x delivered. This sprawling, messy, confusing, contradictory, poorly documented and incredibly fascinating story is the focus of this video. I hope you enjoy it :)
0:00:00 - Windows 1 Post-Launch
0:07:29 - Windows 2.0 first hint
0:11:25 - Microsoft and IBM
0:24:56 - Seattle Computer Products
0:31:30 - IBM's New OS
0:33:43 - DSR and TopView
0:35:16 - Windows and SAA
0:39:53 - Winthorne
0:44:23 - Windows 2.0's development
0:54:35 - EMS 4.0
0:57:18 - Splitting Windows 2 into two versions
1:03:05 - Windows and Presentation Manager
1:11:08 - Windows/386 and Windows 2.0 shown off
1:12:47 - Windows 2.0's murky release timeline
1:21:16 - Windows 2.0 reception and use
1:29:42 - Windows/386 on The Computer Chronicles
1:37:32 - Windows 2.1
1:50:27 - HP NewWave
1:51:53 - Apple versus Microsoft
1:56:38 - Wrapup
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КОМЕНТАРІ

  • @RalphWeber-nm1ip
    @RalphWeber-nm1ip День тому

    yes i installed it, OS/2. I loved the idea of multi OS.

  • @ronjcharity
    @ronjcharity День тому

    Unless you worked there during that era you can’t fathom the level of dysfunction….arrogance.

  • @BoraHorzaGobuchul
    @BoraHorzaGobuchul День тому

    I dunno, i could discount the Balmer internal commercial as just for the lulz, but not after seeing him in his other appearances. I wonder how people like that ever find themselves in positions of influence...

  • @RalphWeber-nm1ip
    @RalphWeber-nm1ip День тому

    Gates idea to adjust and charge and set boundary?

  • @RalphWeber-nm1ip
    @RalphWeber-nm1ip День тому

    I feel that the next vision of Linux n window n iOS. The first out like allows were the artist is, but the money is found after the dust settles.

  • @RalphWeber-nm1ip
    @RalphWeber-nm1ip День тому

    I am only a Microsoft user because of the discounted college or education version of the office at UofA.

  • @sammiches6859
    @sammiches6859 2 дні тому

    I think it's incredible that Portal exists as a euphemism for Gabe's time and pressure in working on Windows.

  • @Perceptified
    @Perceptified 3 дні тому

    Closing out with an editorial from OS/2 professional was a really nice, poetic touch. I come away from this thinking about the whole story as a tragedy - where many people with good intentions, skills and hard work fail to achieve what rightfully they should have in light of external circumstances, many of which were themselves not maliciously created, but rather the product of not understanding the situation.

  • @computerpro123abc
    @computerpro123abc 3 дні тому

    I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS VIDEO AT ALL AND DO NOT THINK THE RUSSIANS EVER GOT IBM TYPE COMPUTERS RUNNING. In the 1980's, 1970's I was a programmer, consultant, college teacher, programmer trainer. I had many FAKE SOVIET PROGRAMMERS, AND FAKE IVEY LEAGUE(HARVARD, YALE, CORNELL, COLUMBIA, BARD, NYU) PROGRAMMERS THESE FAKE PROGRAMMERS CLAIMED TO KNOW IBM COMPATIBLE SYSTEMS. THEY KNEW NOTHING AT ALL. IN MY CLASSES IN COLLEGES, TRADE SCHOOLS, JOB TRAINING PROGRAMS I ALWAYS HAD TO START AT "0" AND ASSUME THESE "SOVIETS" AND AMERICAN IVEY LEAGUE STUDENTS KNEW NOTHIG AT ALL!!!!

  • @rick_terscale1111
    @rick_terscale1111 5 днів тому

    I misread the title... thought it said the rise of Microdots and Windows ... sorry, just came from watching a video on LSD. Ha! :P

  • @BalooUriza
    @BalooUriza 5 днів тому

    I've been running Debian successfully as my daily driver since 1997.

  • @andycristea
    @andycristea 5 днів тому

    It is still used today on some printing presses that I work on. Warp 4.

  • @svatapulec
    @svatapulec 6 днів тому

    I can't wait for the next episode. Great work, thank you Sir!

  • @danieltkach2330
    @danieltkach2330 7 днів тому

    There was in fact a standard for personal computers, and it was very good, and popular, maybe not so in the USA and that doesn't make it less important: MSX!!! It came with Microsoft MSX Basic, and it was very good. Even a few game franchises were first developed here, such as Metal Gear. How come you dismissed this?

  • @romansan2008
    @romansan2008 8 днів тому

    Very educational, already waiting for part 3. I started using computers with the 486DX2/66 cpu with msdos 6.22 and win 3.11. Wow the hardware changed so much.

  • @user-ve3gh5xg9q
    @user-ve3gh5xg9q 8 днів тому

    The rise of Wind💩ows 🤫🫣

  • @ron.owensby
    @ron.owensby 9 днів тому

    I didn't knowanyone could talk so long without taking a breath. I had a hard time keeping up. That said thanks for the video, very interesting!

  • @tronotized1
    @tronotized1 10 днів тому

    I really love this video! I am wondering if anyone in the comments section would happen to know of any one who still works at IBM. I have an idea that I would like to pitch to IBM, but when I tried submitting my idea to IBM, it got rejected because I had no market research about my idea. I am only one person, so I can't produce any market research. Any information would be greatly appreciated!

  • @mahkhi7154
    @mahkhi7154 10 днів тому

    YOU HAVEN'T GOT THE CODE FOR WINDOWS. WHAT YOU'VE GOT IS 8086 AND DOS-86 86-DOS is a "quick and dirty" operating system clone of CP/M created by Seattle Computer Products for their 8086 S-100 systems. It was later bought by Microsoft and used as the basis for IBM PC-DOS and MS-DOS. Windows 1.0 and DOS 1.0, Require a 8088 CPU, Which You Dont Have. 8088 has Hardware Accelerations, for DOS 1.0 and Windows 1.0 Windows 2.0, requires a 80286 Processor. If You Had that, You'd KNOW: You Cant SEPARATE Microsoft from Intel.

    • @mahkhi7154
      @mahkhi7154 10 днів тому

      Your ARM CPU is Like a 8086. The 8088 has Hardware Acceleration for DOS and Windows. Something You Dont KNOW.

  • @Batvolle
    @Batvolle 10 днів тому

    yooo dude, part 2, pleeasee

    • @AnotherBoringTopic
      @AnotherBoringTopic 10 днів тому

      I’m happy to say that I finished the rough draft of part 2 a few days ago (14k words), I can’t say when the final draft will be done, but significant progress is being made. Once it’s done, I’ll post the whole script to the Substack for people who want to read it while I spend a few months making the video. Regards, - Jonathan

    • @Batvolle
      @Batvolle 10 днів тому

      @@AnotherBoringTopic Thanks man!

  • @meritamity
    @meritamity 11 днів тому

    OS/2 and Netware.. The most reliable operating systems when under heavy use in the 90's. Also had a friend who ran a DOS BBS that could have 3 users simultaneously, by running it in 3 DOS instances under OS/2 Warp. It ran well on a 486dx25 with 8mb Ram. Sometimes he would play a game like X-Wing in a 4th DOS instance with no hiccups. I remember being really impressed with it.

  • @artce
    @artce 11 днів тому

    It's hard to see anything on the screen of device

    • @AnotherBoringTopic
      @AnotherBoringTopic 11 днів тому

      The screen is really poor, although that’s pretty par for the course for a handheld of this era. My mid-30s eyes aren’t the best to begin with, I usually have to turn the backlight on and stare at the screen for a bit before it’s useable. Fortunately for the upcoming video, I have a way to grab screenshots, but I have unfortunately not found a way to capture video.

  • @TimothyCook-og1gt
    @TimothyCook-og1gt 13 днів тому

    This isn’t a boring topic it’s intriguing but I already watched some video about this I think

  • @ayushtiwari8870
    @ayushtiwari8870 13 днів тому

    liked and subscribed

  • @ayushtiwari8870
    @ayushtiwari8870 13 днів тому

    I hope part 3 will not take as long as part 2 did...

  • @ayushtiwari8870
    @ayushtiwari8870 13 днів тому

    please keep making more rise of windows videos. at least make till windows 95

  • @ayushtiwari8870
    @ayushtiwari8870 13 днів тому

    i like your videos... make more videos

  • @totoroben
    @totoroben 14 днів тому

    You know this actually gives me sympathy for windows a little.

  • @TheGodzilla2201
    @TheGodzilla2201 15 днів тому

    awesome presentation sir.

  • @totoroben
    @totoroben 15 днів тому

    Taligent sounds like Linux, like a series of tools, but I'm thinking maybe they mean kernel

  • @georgemckeon6710
    @georgemckeon6710 15 днів тому

    This is why companies need visionary leadership.

  • @ag3ntorange164
    @ag3ntorange164 15 днів тому

    I'm more excited about the next part of this than I am for Deadpool 3!

  • @LukeNewcomb
    @LukeNewcomb 16 днів тому

    Excellent video!

  • @sharoyveduchi
    @sharoyveduchi 16 днів тому

    I'd still take Intel over Apple's current lineup, but of course AMD is even better right now on the high end.

  • @chrissawyer1484
    @chrissawyer1484 16 днів тому

    I still remember when my friend who worked at our college's computer lab brought OS/2 and put it on his computer. The school had bought a license, but the computer teachers didn't want to use it, so he played around with it and loved it until Windows NT.

  • @jamesdecross1035
    @jamesdecross1035 16 днів тому

    Its a fascinating history but the video needs better chapter markers.

  • @peteralflat281
    @peteralflat281 18 днів тому

    The fall of big corporations due to bureaucracy! It reminds me of a joke that my dad says was doing the rounds in the early 1960s. The Chair of British Rail was arguing with the chair of ICI (then one of the biggest companies in the world) whose organisation was biggest. In the end they agreed that British Rail was bigger, but ICI carried more passengers!!!

  • @user-ng2nt2tx4p
    @user-ng2nt2tx4p 19 днів тому

    Barring 1 or 2 things? Really? The original MAC was a financial Failure for Apple. App Store, Steve Jobs initially opposed the App Store. iPod Hi-Fi, ($349) audiophiles couldn't help but rip the product to shreds. MobileMe, cloud-based service, thank your lucky stars that you never had to withstand the horror that was MobileMe. An eyewitness recounted Jobs’ reprimand to its team, for giving him what he wanted, to Fortune, "You've tarnished Apple's reputation…You should hate each other for having let each other down." Hockey Puck Mouse, not ergonomically friendly, frustrating to control, clunky, and inefficient. Almost comically, Jobs at one point touted the peripheral as "the best mouse you'll ever use." PowerMAC G4 Cube, a daunting $1,599 price tag with a monitor had to be purchased separately kept most G4 Cubes on the shelf. Off-putting. Miniscule cracks in its surface notwithstanding, its price tag turned it into a has-been within a year. LISA Computer, $10,000 in 1983 (over $22,000 today). Small change compared with what it cost Apple: $50 million in hardware and $100 million in development, selling just 10,000 units. AppleIII, It ran was so unstable that it was pulled. NeXT, After being fired from Apple, Jobs had little success with this machine that academics liked, but no one could afford. NeXT was ultimately eaten up by Apple right before its Bankruptcy as a prelude to Jobs’ return. Twentieth Anniversary Macintosh, $7,500, Not many of the 12,000 produced units sold, with the last of the batch going for just below $2,000 each. ROKR, A cross between a Cellphone and an iPod, with a capacity of just 100 songs and a super slow transfer time, the ROKR’s party ended quickly. IIRC they had a Digital Still Frame Camera that also Failed. ...And this is off the top of my head of failures.

  • @corepunch
    @corepunch 19 днів тому

    That's a very cool insight oh how it came to be. I'm currently at work trying to push for use of my personal technology as opposed to supplier's, CEO is on my side, head architect is on my side, but my boss is blocking it on every turn because I recon he realises it would harm his prospects for not having chosen it in the first place. I'm playing it soft, have stated on several occasions that i don't want to make any enemies, but Bill Gates didn't care about making enemies, he saw a goal and went for it. I see now.

  • @PapaColiGaming
    @PapaColiGaming 20 днів тому

    Instead of a 2 or 3 hour video, why not post 30 minute videos more often, then make a supercut into one video when the series is done?

  • @robmclaughjr
    @robmclaughjr 20 днів тому

    We used some Windows 2.0 machines as vt100 terminals with multiple windows in the early 90's

  • @bigvrocks2480
    @bigvrocks2480 22 дні тому

    Very insightful and thought provoking to a computer user with no actual background at just how everything came into being. As a matter of fact, in the late 50's, a neighbor, Mr. Kipp, whose family, lived near five houses from us, in Buffalo, NY and had to live during the week in Rochester, NY (worked for Sperry-Rand, I believe) to learn how to run a new computer 'system' back then. After his training was completed, the family had to move as the system he was trained for, had become obsolete, in the time he was training for it. He had to move to find new employment. His kids, Jim & Brenda, never heard from again... Late 50's/early 60's, quite surreal for a little kid! Thanks ABT!

  • @Innesb
    @Innesb 22 дні тому

    I was lucky enough to have access to VisiCalc running on a TRS-80 in the early eighties when I was around 13/14 years old. It started my career in IT and I have such fond memories of those times. Over the years I also used Lotus 123, As-Easy-As; an incredible shareware Lotus 123 clone by Trius Inc (what a clever name!), Supercalc, Quattro Pro. And now, of course, Excel. How things have changed. Currently in my mid 50s and excited to see what happens over the next 30-40 years.

  • @casualretrocollector
    @casualretrocollector 23 дні тому

    Another boring topic in reel format! Yes! First of many many more :)